Corea del Nord:attacchi nucleari preventivi vs USA

[Angel_]

Solotecnico ha scritto:

Sheenky ha scritto:

Ma è una notizia vera?
No perchè se cosi fosse, e nel giro di qualche tempo succedesse casualmente un terremoto devastante in Sud Corea...cioè dai...veramente qualcuno crederebbe che HAARP sia solo una struttura di ricerca?
Come non farsi sgammare insomma...
Curiosa come cosa.

Qualche post fa era già segnalata questa foto come un "semplice" radar a largo raggio per sgamare eventuali missili coreani

Ufficialmente è una piattaforma radar che copre 4800 km...ho postato io l'articolo in questa pagina dell'altra discussione:
http://www.ufoforum.it/topic.asp?TOPIC_ ... ichpage=88

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[nemesis-gt]

Corea del Nord, Putin: Chernobyl a confronto sarà una favola per bambini

"Preoccupato per l'escalation della situazione". Il presidente russo ha invitato le parti a trattare. Ma la Corea del Nord tira dritto, e Mosca sposta così in un luogo segreto i suoi diplomatici

Una guerra nucleare nella penisola coreana farebbe sembrare l'incidente di Chernobyl una "favola per bambini". Non ha usato giri parole per fotografare la situazione che si sta delineando fra le due Coree dopo le ripetute minacce di Pyongyang di attaccare gli Stati Uniti il presidente russo, Vladimir Putin. Lui che fino ad oggi ha mostrato solo il lato più duro del suo carattere si è detto "preoccupato per l'escalation della situazione".

Ad Hannover, durante il suo secondo giorno di visita in Unione europea, si è incontrato con il Cancelliere tedesco Angela Merkel. Lì ha alzato la maschera.

"Ci preoccupa perché noi siamo vicini. Conosciamo bene, perché li abbiamo vissuti da bambini, gli effetti di Chernobyl. C'è oggi un rischio del genere? Certo che c'è - ha continuato -. La tensione non dovrebbe aumentare e io rivolgo un appello generale alla calma''. Putin ha invitato le parti a ''trattare e risolvere i problemi''. Ha poi concluso, osservando che ''gli Usa hanno preso la giusta decisione di fermare un test missilistico. E di questo voglio ringraziarli''.

Secondo diversi osservatori la situazione è tutt'altro che tranquilla. In queste ore la Corea del Nord ha, infatti, deciso di mandare un altro segnale: chiuderà il sito industriale di Kaesong a dieci chilometri dal confine con il Sud anche ai nordcoreani dopo averne impedito mercoledì scorso l'accesso ai sudcoreani.

L'agenzia ufficiale Kcna ha motivato la decisione con le provocazioni di Seul alla dignità nordcoreana. Nel centro industriale operano 123 compagnie sudcoreane per cui lavorano 50mila dipendenti nordcoreani.

Mentre il quotidiano governativo russo, Rossiskaya Gazeta ha scritto che è in corso anche il trasferimento dei diplomatici e dello staff "in un luogo segreto" tra le opzioni che Pyongyang ha offerto alla Russia per evacuare la sua ambasciata, dopo che venerdì scorso il ministero degli Esteri nordcoreano ha avvertito che dal 10 aprile non sarà più in grado di garantire la sicurezza delle delegazioni diplomatiche straniere.

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[zakmck]

La americani rispondono con la loro arma piu' segreta:

[star-man]

Muah

Ma sono propri brutti questi gerarchi coreani:

gonfi e tronfi

Chuck,perlomeno,mi sembra in buona forma fisica.

Io ci metterei anche Schwarzenegger travestito da signora come in Total Recall e Stallone in stile Cobra.

In pratica,una BOMBA COMICA...eh eh eh !

ciao e grazie per il tuo buon umore zackmck!

[GIANLUCA1989]

Ultim'ora:

N. Korea may be able to deliver nuke, Pentagon intel

Are you from South or North Korea? Send us your experiences.
(CNN) -- The Pentagon's intelligence arm has assessed with "moderate confidence" that North Korea has the ability to deliver a nuclear weapon with a ballistic missile though the reliability is believed to be "low."
Disclosed first by a congressman at a hearing on Thursday and then confirmed to CNN by the Defense Department, the assessment by the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) is the clearest acknowledgment yet by the United States about potential advances in North Korea's nuclear program.
The surprise development comes amid heightened tensions on the Korean Peninsula. North Korea has unleashed a torrent of dramatic threats against the United States and South Korea in recent weeks, including that of a possible nuclear strike.
The Obama administration calculates a test launch of mobile ballistic missiles could come at any time. But a senior administration official said there is no indication that missiles believed being readied for tests have been armed with any nuclear capability.

"DIA assess with moderate confidence the North currently has nuclear weapons capable of delivery by ballistic missiles, however, the reliability will be low."
Pentagon spokesman George Little refused to comment in an interview with CNN's Jake Tapper, saying that while the conclusion was unclassified, "the underlying content is definitely classified."
Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Martin Dempsey, who was testifying before the House committee, appeared to be caught off guard when asked by Lamborn whether he agreed with the assessment.
"Well, I haven't seen it," Dempsey replied. "And you said it's not publicly released, so I -- I choose not to comment on it."
It is was not clear if other U.S. intelligence agencies, like the CIA, agree with the defense analysis.
North Korea's missile capabilities
U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon told CNN's Wolf Blitzer, "We do not have any independent information to verify" the DIA study's assessment.
Is North Korea serious about military action or is it just testing the world?
Tough talk, raising a missile
A missile had been briefly raised to an upright firing position, stoking concerns that a launch is imminent, a U.S. official told CNN on Thursday. Later, another U.S. official said it had been tucked back into its launcher.
In more tough talk from Pyongyang, a government agency was quoted by the state-run media as saying that "war can break out any moment."
After meeting privately with Ban in the Oval Office, President Barack Obama called on North Korea to tone down the rhetoric.
"We agree now is the time for North Korea to end the kind of belligerent approach they have been taking and try to lower temperatures," Obama said during a photo opportunity. "No one wants to see a conflict on the Korean Peninsula."
Ban called on Chinese diplomats to "exercise their leadership and influence" with North Korea to reduce tensions.
The latest move by the North could signify that a much-feared launch is less imminent. It could also mean the government was testing the equipment.
The first U.S. official cautioned that the raising of the missile could have been just a trial run to ensure the equipment works or an effort to "mess" with the United States and the allies that are watching for a launch at any time.
So far, South Koreans -- who've heard the cross-border bombast before -- are taking the swagger in stride. Washington regards much of the North's saber rattling as bluster.
Photos: Kim Jong Un and North Korea's military
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But no one is taking any chances as the daily clamor of threats from North Korean leader Kim Jong Un's government shows no sign of letting up.
War of words escalates - Timeline of a crisis
The official declined to specify what type of intelligence led the United States to conclude the medium-range missile -- a Musudan -- was in a firing position.
Should I stay or should I go? Expats mull future as Korean tensions rise
The Musudan is an untested weapon that South Korea says has a range as far as 2,175 miles (3,500 kilometers).
It could reach as far as Guam, a Western Pacific territory that is home to U.S. naval and air bases, and where the United States recently said it was placing missile defense systems.
The United States and South Korean militaries have been monitoring the movements of mobile ballistic missiles on the east coast of North Korea. Japan has deployed defense systems.
Opinion: Why North Korea worries Dick Cheney
The mood in South Korea? 'Very ordinary'
Life is generally continuing as normal in the region, however, despite the North's barrage of recent threats, which have included warnings to foreigners on the peninsula about their safety in the event of conflict.
South Koreans, who have experienced decades of North Korean rage and posturing -- and occasional localized attacks -- have gone about their daily business without alarm.
"South Korea has been living under such threats from the past, and we are always prepared for it," South Korean Unification Minister Ryoo Kihl-jae told CNN Wednesday. He called the current climate "a very ordinary situation."
Chinese tourism: The good, the bad and the backlash
South urges dialogue over industrial zone
The difficulties at the Kaesong industrial zone, a key symbol of inter-Korean cooperation, are among the few tangible signs of the tensions.
Pyongyang repeated a threat to permanently close the industrial zone, which it jointly operates with the South, accusing South Korean President Park Geun-hye of putting the manufacturing complex at risk.
The South Korean government, meanwhile, urged Pyongyang to work to resolve the situation through dialogue.
"Pyongyang should come to the bargaining table immediately," Ryoo said.
North Korea has pulled its more than 50,000 workers out of the complex, which is on the northern side of the heavily fortified border that divides the two Koreas, and blocked personnel and supply trucks from entering it from South Korea.
In a statement reported Thursday by state-run media, the North Korean government said that what happens at the complex in the coming days "entirely depends on the attitude of the South Korean authorities."
DMZ: Tensions high at knife-edge of Korean conflict
U.S. intelligence cites direct threats
The dangers posed by North Korea came up Thursday at a separate House Intelligence Committee hearing about worldwide threats.
James R. Clapper, director of U.S. national intelligence, said the United States believes the primary objective of Kim's bellicose rhetoric is to "consolidate and affirm his power" and to show he is "in control of North Korea."
Clapper said he doesn't think Kim "has much of an endgame" other than to get recognition from the world as a nuclear power which "entitles him to negotiation, accommodation and, presumably, aid."
But in a statement for the record before the committee, Clapper reiterated that the nation's "nuclear weapons and missile programs pose a serious threat to the United States and to the security environment in East Asia."
Since December, North Korea has put a satellite in orbit atop a long-range rocket; conducted a nuclear bomb test, its third since 2006; and claimed to be prepared for pre-emptive nuclear attacks on the United States, though most analysts believe it does not yet have that capability.
Its most recent nuclear test, in February, resulted in tougher U.N. sanctions, which infuriated Pyongyang, prompting it to sharpen its threats.
Annual military exercises in South Korea by U.S. and South Korean troops, which often upset the North, have added to the tensions, especially when the United States drew attention to shows of strength such as a practice mission by B-2 stealth bombers.
CNN's K.J. Kwon, Tim Schwarz, Kyung Lah, Judy Kwon, Matt Smith and Elise Labott, Adam Levine and Jim Kavanagh contributed to this report.
Continua: http://edition.cnn.com/2013/04/11/world/asia/koreas-tensions/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Ultima modifica di GIANLUCA1989 il 12/04/2013, 01:13, modificato 1 volta in totale.

[Ufologo 555]

Fine della pagliacciata.

[ubatuba]

Defcon tre (codice giallo) su cinque: significa che d'ora in poi l'Air Force sara' pronta a mobilitarsi in 15 minuti. Siamo sopra i livelli "normali" di allerta. Al prossimo stadio le forze dell'esercito saranno pronte a dispiegamento e attacco in meno di 6 ore


notizia wall street italia

[xfabiox]

altro che fine della pagliacciata questa è una guerra già scritta fatta apposta, basterà vedere se gli lasceranno colpire con un solo missile il giappone o korea del sud o un'isola americana sarà tutto fatto apposta per scatenare una guerra.

[zakmck]

xfabiox ha scritto:

altro che fine della pagliacciata questa è una guerra già scritta fatta apposta, basterà vedere se gli lasceranno colpire con un solo missile il giappone o korea del sud o un'isola americana sarà tutto fatto apposta per scatenare una guerra.

Si chiama "Casus belli" e non a caso si dice in latino. La storia e' piena zeppa di questi "eventi".

Tanto per citarne di recenti e famosi, l'"Attentato di Sarajevo" che diede inizio alla prima guerra mondiale e l'"Incidente del Golfo del Tonchino" che fu usato per iniziare la guerra del Vietnam.

[star-man]

Perchè non si limitano a giocare a risiko...magari ribattezzandolo...

Ridicolisiko?

Che ragazzacci !

[Ufologo 555]

Ma ... non sarà mica colpa di Berlusconi ...!?

[GIANLUCA1989]

Oggi c'è stato l'incotro tra John Kerry e Xi Jinping e ne è uscito fuori che la Cina è d'accordo con gli USA che la Corea del Nord deve essere denuclearizzata.

Ora resta da vedere quale sarà la prossima dello scacchiere e se le pressioni della Cina riusciranno ad ammorbidire quel frignone di kim jong un.

U.S., China agree on North Korea denuclearization push


(Reuters) - The United States and China agreed on Saturday to make a joint effort to push for the peaceful denuclearization of the Korean peninsula, following weeks of bellicose rhetoric from North Korea and rising tensions in northeast Asia.

U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry met China's top leaders in a bid to persuade them to exert pressure on North Korea, whose main diplomatic supporter is Beijing, to scale back its belligerence and, eventually, return to nuclear talks.

Before travelling to Beijing for the first time as secretary of state, Kerry had made no secret of his desire to see China take a more active stance towards North Korea, which in recent weeks has threatened nuclear war against the United States and South Korea.

Kerry and China's top diplomat, State Councillor Yang Jiechi, said both countries supported the goal of denuclearizing the Korean peninsula.

"We are able, the United States and China, to underscore our joint commitment to the denuclearization of the Korean peninsula in a peaceful manner," Kerry told reporters, standing next to Yang at a state guesthouse in western Beijing.

"We agreed that this is critically important for the stability of the region and indeed for the world and for all of our nonproliferation efforts."

But North Korea has repeatedly said it will not abandon nuclear weapons which it described on Friday as its "treasured" guarantor of security.

Yang said China's stance on maintaining peace and stability on the peninsula was clear and consistent.

"We maintain that the issue should be handled and resolved peacefully through dialogue and consultation. To properly address the Korea nuclear issue serves the common interests of all parties. It is also the shared responsibility of all parties," he said, speaking through an interpreter.

"China will work with other relevant parties, including the United States, to play a constructive role in promoting the six-party talks and balanced implementation of the goals set out in the September 19 joint statement of 2005."

At a news conference in Seoul on Friday and in a U.S.-South Korean joint statement issued on Saturday, Kerry signaled the U.S. preference for diplomacy to end the tension, but stressed North Korea must take "meaningful" steps on denuclearization.

The United States and its allies believe the North violated the 2005 aid-for-denuclearization deal by conducting a nuclear test in 2006 and pursuing a uranium enrichment program that would give it a second path to a nuclear weapon in addition to its plutonium-based program.

"CONSTRUCTIVE" TALKS

As the North's main trading partner, financial backer and the closest thing it has to a diplomatic ally, China has a unique ability to use its leverage against the impoverished, isolated state, Kerry said in Seoul before leaving for Beijing.

Kerry earlier in the day characterized his meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping as "constructive and forward-leaning", though he did not elaborate.

Beijing, which sided with North Korea in the 1950-53 civil war against the U.S.-backed South, has been reluctant to apply pressure on Pyongyang, fearing the instability that could result if the North were to implode and send floods of refugees into China.

It has also looked askance at U.S. military drills in South Korea.

Xinhua said in a commentary that Washington had itself been "fanning the flames" on the Korean peninsula with its shows of force.

"It keeps sending more fighters, bombers and missile-defense ships to the waters of East Asia and carrying out massive military drills with Asian allies in a dramatic display of preemptive power," it said.

Chinese state television quoted Premier Li Keqiang as telling Kerry that rising tensions on the Korean peninsula were in nobody's interests, in apparent reference to both Washington and Pyongyang to dial down the war of words.

"All sides must bear responsibility for maintaining regional peace and stability and be responsible for the consequences," the television report paraphrased Li as saying.

"Disturbances and provocation on the peninsula and regionally will harm the interests of all sides, which is like lifting a rock only to drop it on one's feet."

Still, U.S. officials believe China's rhetoric on North Korea has begun to shift, pointing to a recent speech by China's Xi in which - without referring explicitly to Pyongyang - he said no country "should be allowed to throw a region and even the whole world into chaos for selfish gain".

Kerry's visit to Asia, which will include a stop in Tokyo on Sunday, takes place after weeks of shrill North Korean threats of war since the imposition of new U.N. sanctions in response to its third nuclear test in February.

North Korean television made no mention of Kerry's visit and devoted most of its reports to preparations for Monday's celebrations marking the birth date of state founder Kim Il-Sung.

These included a numerous floral tributes and grandiose flower show, foreign visitors seeing the sights of the capital ahead of the festivities and the unveiling of a monument in a provincial town.

But Rodong Sinmun, the ruling Workers' Party's newspaper, issued a fresh denunciation of joint U.S.-South Korean military exercises, saying: "The outbreak of nuclear war has now become a fait accompli, owing to the U.S. and the South Korean puppet forces.

"If the enemies dare provoke (North Korea) while going reckless, it will immediately blow them up with an annihilating strike with the use of powerful nuclear means."

However, South Korea's Yonhap news agency, quoting a government source, said North Korea had not moved any of its mobile missile launchers for the past two days after media reports that as many as five missiles had been moved into place on the country's east coast.

Yonhap said there had been no signs of any movement by the mobile launchers since Thursday, "or that missile launches are imminent".


(Additional reporting byTerril Tue Jones, and Ron Popeski in SEOUL; Editing by Nick Macfie)

[b]FONTE:[/b] http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/ ... 1Z20130413

Ultima modifica di GIANLUCA1989 il 13/04/2013, 16:23, modificato 1 volta in totale.

[GIANLUCA1989]

Un consiglio per chi vuole tenere d'occhio questo paese è di vedere tra le 00:00 fino alle 10.00 ,questo canale:
http://reuters.livestation.com/demo
è un canale di routers dove vengono mostrati in questi giorni e in via eccezionale visto la crisi in ordine:

• JAPAN-MISSILE LAUNCHERS : Surface-to-air ballistic PAC3 missiles are deployed in the Japanese capital.
• SOUTH KOREA-BORDER/DMZ : View of the Demilitarized zone (DMZ) amid tensions on the Korea peninsula.
• CHINA-NORTH KOREA BORDER: View of bridge linking China and North Korea amid tensions over the North's threats of war.

Per dirne una "quasi ironica" durante una delle riprese nel ponte che unisce la Cina con la Corea del Nord ovvero il "Sino-Korean Friendship Bridge", ad un certo punto ti vedi arrivare diverse camionette militari (e non è un caso visto che stavano riprendendo proprio in quel momento).
A quel punto il cameraman va in primo piano sulla zona dove si sono fermati, appena scesi iniziano a farsi notare nel migliore nei modi (alla film)... oltre alla tradizionale marcia di alcuni altri si stavano allenano con tattiche tipo il film (per chi lo ha visto) "La Foresta dei Pugnali Volanti",ovvero soldati che facevano letteralmente "salti in aria" e si allenano tra loro

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[Wolframio]

......che la Cina è d'accordo con gli USA che la Corea del Nord deve essere denuclearizzata.

Sono d'accordo pure io a denuclearizzare, ma non solo la Corea.

Ma la Corea è pure d'accordo?

Sono anni che vogliono denuclearizzare la Corea del nord, ma non denuclearizza nessuno.

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[star-man]

Ufologo 555 ha scritto:

Ma ... non sarà mica colpa di Berlusconi ...!?

ufologo,trovo il tuo buon umore simpatico e puntuale.

La cosa che trovo poi ridicola,è il fatto che,gli occidentali se la prendano con Iran,Siria,Corea del Nord, e ogni nazione che per loro rappresenterebbe un pericolo mondiale,ogni qual volta queste nazioni aprono una centrale nucleare o costruiscono una atomica.

ora,loro le atomiche le hanno,un tantino più potenti di quelle coreane,la Francia ha il primato di centrali atomiche nel mondo,
la Cina quello dell'inquinamento,la Russia quello dello mafia,della svendita(mettiamo un forse ) di plutonio,una Siberia piena di gas sotterraneo che non tira fuori per mantenere alti i prezzi di quello attuale e fare un favore alle multinazionali del petrolio.

Basta questo per dire : da che pulpito vien la predica

Di soito gli adulti hanno un minimo di coscienza,logica e emozioni,e dovrebbero usarlo,anche in politica nazionale e non.

In questo bel marasma planetario,si teme una guerra atomica che potrebbe ,non porre fine,ma provocare problemi a tutto il pianeta.

Ma il pianeta è già mezzo spento e rovinato,il sistema mondiale
fa acqua da tutte le parti,e non è quella delle centrali atomiche.

Che è tutta questa preoccupazione di salvare un mondo che fino al'altro ieri è stato maltrattato e abusato in tutti i modi?

Certo,la fifa fa novanta,ma diamine,un merito i coreani ce l'hanno:

mostrano ai vari G qualcosa che anche uno staterello in miseria totale
potrebbe fare molto male,davvero molto.

Non mi piacciono le dittature e i dittatori,ma non mi piacciono neppure i democratici che tengono in mano qualsiasi cose gli serva per ...guidare il mondo e farsi i l oro comodi,proibendo agli altri di fare lo stesso.

Farisei,sepolcri imbiancati,scribi...dottoroni della legge...sacerdoti del profitto e del potere,degli eserciti (loro) e de li comodacci loro.

Insomma,basta un Bin Laden o un Kim qualcosa,per spaventare
un intero pianeta e fibrillare gli inesistenti cuori dei leaders
mondiali?

Una cosa ridicola,oltre al risiko,propongo loro "Scaricabarile"
e "Faccia Tosta" ...oltre che "Incompetenza",visti i risultati planetari ottenuti e...naturalmente "La Guerra"...un gioco in cui eccellono.