23/07/2012, 09:53
vista la ricostruzione 3D a me ha dato subito l'impressione di essere tipo una sorta di tappo, un ingresso-uscita...cmq continuo a seguire gli aggiornamenti sul caso!
23/07/2012, 13:20
purtroppo non hanno ri-trovato il foro (questo la dovrebbe dire lunga sulla grandezza della struttura e sulla scarsa visibilità) nè altri fori
Inoltre sottolineo la frase:
we have for sure not the means to continue
"di sicuro non abbiamo altre risorse (soldi) per continuare"
Inoltre sottolineo la frase:
we have for sure not the means to continue
"di sicuro non abbiamo altre risorse (soldi) per continuare"
Ultima modifica di bovos il 23/07/2012, 13:27, modificato 1 volta in totale.
23/07/2012, 13:55
E come volevasi dimostrare...
Il tutto resterà senza un nullo di fatto.
La titan tv produrrà i suoi documentari postando la sensazionalitá delle ipotesi varie, ecc ecc...
Nulla di nuovo insomma.
Che schifo...
Il tutto resterà senza un nullo di fatto.
La titan tv produrrà i suoi documentari postando la sensazionalitá delle ipotesi varie, ecc ecc...
Nulla di nuovo insomma.
Che schifo...
23/07/2012, 17:14
Sono costernato... ![[:o)]](./images/smilies/UF/icon_smile_clown.gif "Clown")
23/07/2012, 17:20
TheObserver ha scritto:
- la parte superiore dell'anomalia sembra essere "staccata", "disarticolata" dalla parte inferiore
Questa non è una bazzecola ...
Se confermata potrebbe escludere l'ipotesi della formazione naturale, le anomalie sarebbero troppe per prenderla ancora in considerazione.
Aspettiamo che si scuciano le bocche ...
23/07/2012, 22:51
Oggi giornata fiacca, ad ora nessuna news...credo che la Titan tv abbia la prelazione sulla diffusione delle novità e quindi "ciccia" fino a quando saranno pronti con un documentario o roba simile....chiaramente ciò è snervante per tutti noi .....Nell'attesa comunico a tutti i preoccupatissimi e disperati utenti che la mancanza di fondi non impedirà ai vostri/nostri eroi dell'Ocean X, tra un paio di settimane, di tornare sull'anomalia ![[:D]](./images/smilies/UF/icon_smile_big.gif "Davvero Felice")
, quindi su con la vita ragazzi, avrete tempo per dispiacervi un'altra volta.
Ciao
, quindi su con la vita ragazzi, avrete tempo per dispiacervi un'altra volta.Ciao
24/07/2012, 00:10
TheObserver ha scritto:
.credo che la Titan tv abbia la prelazione sulla diffusione delle novità
già e la diffusione di sole immagini che riprendono lo schermo, quindi di pessima qualità, potrebbe essere un sistema per mostrare/non mostrare
24/07/2012, 17:52
bovos ha scritto:
già e la diffusione di sole immagini che riprendono lo schermo, quindi di pessima qualità, potrebbe essere un sistema per mostrare/non mostrare
Credo tu abbia ragione
![[V]](./images/smilies/UF/icon_smile_disapprove.gif "Disapprovazione"){kind=icon}
.Stò seguendo Peter Lindberg, che sembra meno possibilista di Dennis sulle tempistiche di una terza immersione e sembra scoraggiato, infatti rispondendo ad alcune persone su facebook dice :
1- " I rather find wrecks with treasures of wich I can cash in some money than an unknown object which so far only has drain our economy. It is exceting of course, but that does not pay my bills or feed my daughter."
2- "We'll have to wait and see, those with the thick wallets are on summer vacations around the world. We are standing ready if we get a go ahead!
traduzione spiccia (scusate le imprecisioni):
1- Io preferisco andare a caccia di relitti e relativi tesori e incassare qualche soldo, che esplorare uno strano oggetto che finora ha svuotato le nostre tasche. E' eccitante naturalmente ma non paga le mie bollette e non dà da mangiare a mia figlia.
2- Dovremo aspettare e vedere, le persone con il portafogli rigonfio sono in vacanza in giro per il mondo attualmente. Noi restiamo pronti a partire se riceviamo un via libera, un ok.
Stay tuned
Ciao
24/07/2012, 19:35
Aggiornamento dal sito ufficiale 
:
Essendoci ancora molto domande senza risposta dopo la scorsa spedizione, il team stà pianificando nuove viaggi nel futuro per risolvere il mistero.
Durante lo scorsa spedizione sono stati prelevati dei campioni ed inviati per le analisi del caso; i dati saranno divulgati appena disponibili.
Fin qui le notizie ufficiali, poi su Facebook Dennis conferma le problematiche economiche:
"The truth is --- if we do not get money from sponsors .... we must wait to return. but we hope to find partners or sponsors soon. we do everything possible to find a solution. type sell clothes etc.."
Le verità è che se non troviamo soldi dagli sponsor dobbiamo ritardare il ritorno sull'anomalia, ma speriamo di trovare partners o sponsor presto. Noi stiamo facendo ogni cosa possibile per risolvere la situazione, come ad esempio vendere abbigliamento etc. etc."
Ciao
:Essendoci ancora molto domande senza risposta dopo la scorsa spedizione, il team stà pianificando nuove viaggi nel futuro per risolvere il mistero.
Durante lo scorsa spedizione sono stati prelevati dei campioni ed inviati per le analisi del caso; i dati saranno divulgati appena disponibili.
Fin qui le notizie ufficiali, poi su Facebook Dennis conferma le problematiche economiche:
"The truth is --- if we do not get money from sponsors .... we must wait to return. but we hope to find partners or sponsors soon. we do everything possible to find a solution. type sell clothes etc.."
Le verità è che se non troviamo soldi dagli sponsor dobbiamo ritardare il ritorno sull'anomalia, ma speriamo di trovare partners o sponsor presto. Noi stiamo facendo ogni cosa possibile per risolvere la situazione, come ad esempio vendere abbigliamento etc. etc."
Ciao
25/07/2012, 07:25
Secondo me è già stato scoperto molto ...
Le ipotesi formulate fino ad ora non hanno spiegato di cosa si tratta, se dalle analisi dei reperti risulta che si tratta di una costruzione artificiale bisognerà formulare qualche ipotesi concreta sulla sua provenienza.
Se non ho capito male l'ipotesi dell'arma nazista sarebbe saltata poichè il reperto è molto, molto molto antico
Quindi le alternative sono due:
- una formazione naturale: per incredibili coincidenze si è formata una cosa unica, fino ad ora mai vista (personalmente non ci credo manco se fosse vero)
- una formazione artificiale di provenienza sconosciuta
Penso che le analisi in corso siano determinanti, voglio ben sperare che siano in grado di distinguere un composto artificiale da uno naturale.
Le ipotesi formulate fino ad ora non hanno spiegato di cosa si tratta, se dalle analisi dei reperti risulta che si tratta di una costruzione artificiale bisognerà formulare qualche ipotesi concreta sulla sua provenienza.
Se non ho capito male l'ipotesi dell'arma nazista sarebbe saltata poichè il reperto è molto, molto molto antico
Quindi le alternative sono due:
- una formazione naturale: per incredibili coincidenze si è formata una cosa unica, fino ad ora mai vista (personalmente non ci credo manco se fosse vero)
- una formazione artificiale di provenienza sconosciuta
Penso che le analisi in corso siano determinanti, voglio ben sperare che siano in grado di distinguere un composto artificiale da uno naturale.
25/07/2012, 09:59
gippo ha scritto:
Penso che le analisi in corso siano determinanti, voglio ben sperare che siano in grado di distinguere un composto artificiale da uno naturale.
si tratta di capire se è una roccia oppure un cemento artificiale, non dovrebbe essere difficile
25/07/2012, 15:20
E' appena stato rilasciato da Ocean X un video aggiornamento in cui Dennis Åsberg parla della situazione sorta attorno al ritrovamento dell'anomalia; essendo per 19 minuti in lingua svedese e soli 2/3 minuti in lingua inglese evito di postarlo (se qualcuno vorrà poi metterò il link). Riporto quindi la traduzione svedese/inglese fatta da un'utente :
Today has been a really hysterical day, the journalists are hunting us and there's nothing wrong with that. I understand that they want as much information as possible about the project, and what's going to happen next. Expressen wrote that we don't have enough money to complete these projects, and that's basically true. There is a limit. To be able to do this professionaly we obviously need equipment for it, and this costs money. We had hoped that companies around the world would be interested in this, and that they could contribute with both equipment and money. But that hasn't happened. Why? I have no idea. I found it really strange that we haven't really seen any interest from any companies whatsoever. I mean we have like 900 million people worldwide following this. And to me it's a mystery that no companies have shown any interest, no matter WHAT we have found. Be it a volcano, a meteorite, a stone age city, or a pre-iceage construction, to me this is a sensation! But today, we can't say 100% what it is. We can't! We can speculate, but it is very important for us, as professionals, to be able to present facts in the best way possible. And use the techniques required to make a good investigation.
We know that people around the world are curious and want answers, and we try our best to make a good investigation, but we are stuck! That's the truth, we are actually stuck! And it's a big mystery to me, why no one is taking the bait, no matter what it might be! We have been very open about everything since the start. We are no hoaxers, we're running a business called Ocean X Team, and what we did, or still do, is that we're looking for trade ships that carried cargo of champagne and liquor. For us that is the gold, that's what easy to sell. There aren't many gold, silver or diamond treasures in the Baltic Sea, as far as I know (otherwise I'd be there now). No, we have trade ships, which we find first in archives and then go look for at sea.
What happened to us last year, was that we were looking for a trade ship and found this object. We didn't really understand what it was, so we went home and started thinking - what is this? And we found no answers, we didn't really understand. We hooked up with other players in this area of expertise, and they didn't know either. We've also spoken to geologists and marine biologists, and they don't have any answers either! For that reason we we decided to go public, and tell the news about the find. The majority of people out there worldwide seem to think we've found a UFO. My immediate response is - I don't know. I've gotten that question "Is it a UFO you have found, Dennis?" - I don't know. I don't. Obviously it's something unique we've found, and we're trying to conduct this investigation in the best possible way. But we're.. um, we weren't born yesterday, if you know what I mean. We are the ones who found it, and therefore we want to protect it, therefore we want the truth to be known about it, so the information doesn't get lost somewhere.
We will obviously do everything we can to make this happen in the best possible way. If needed, we will wait. Because if we don't have the resources, we can't do this. It's as simple as that. Sure, we have bought a ship. Why did we do that? We bought a ship because we are convinced we've found something unique, and of course because we want this to continue. But we have made a serious investment. It's no sponsor that has bought this ship, it's Peter and me. The reason being that we want to do this in the best possible way and still stay in control of things!
We have gotten so many suggestions, from all over the world. And I can say that.. no, it's been more scary than useful actually. Therefore we decided a while ago that we're doing this on our own. We're in control, we are the ones releasing the information, in cooperation with the production company, Titan, of course. And we have to do it this way to stay in control, and do this in the best way possible.
Now, what I want from you guys, and believe me, I understand your frustrations, why haven't they found the answers and so on... but it's not that simple. What I want you to do, if you in some way contribute, as a company, the Ocean X Team would appreciate it very much! We're doing as much as we can on our own, but it only goes so far. We can't.. well you know.. we're just ordinary people. We just don't have the resources. We have a big interest, this is what we live for. What we have found out there is a mystery, that's the truth! We want to solve it, but I think we will have to solve it together with others around the world. No matter what the results are. Businesses out there that wants to be seen and join us on this adventure is more than welcome to contact the Ocean X Team. I am CONVINCED that we've found something unique, no matter what it is.
When you go down with the ROV or divers you can see a lot of things that you really can't.. you can't understand why it's down there in the middle of the baltic. The 90 degree angles, straight walls, and that hole for example... For me... it doesn't add up. I have never seen anything like it. The guys have never seen anything like it. No one have seen anything like it! It's a mystery for us. For me it's pretty obvious to do whatever I can to solve this riddle. So. Here I am, and I'm like a big questionmark myself. What's going to happen next? I don't know. But I am honest and straightforward, and I will continue to stay this way. And I think this adventure is the coolest thing I have ever experienced, and I wish you all could be here with me! But I try to share as much as I can about this wonderful situtation we're in right now (even if it is pretty tiresome). But I Will Not Give Up! I'm totally commited to solving this riddle together with Peter and the other guys. NO MATTER WHAT IT IS!
And another thing that's important for me to state. I have never said the word, I've never said that this object is a UFO. No, I haven't. I've said that it's round, I've described it's appearance. And I realize that it might resemble a flying saucer. But I have never claimed that's what it is! Of course to me, as a human, working with this object, not understanding what it is... I mean there are a lot of theories, that it's a finding of natural gas, that it is methane ice pushing up from underground. But at the same time, the scientists are saying: No. That can't happen that way, it wouldn't be perfectly round. Um... meteorite, I've spoken about this before. Then the scientists say: No, it wouldn't look like that, the sea bed would look more chaotic, and there would be a crater, and it's not like that. A volcano then? Yes it could be an ancient volcano, but... according to scientists, there has never been any volcanoes in that area whatsoever.
So no matter how we turn this thing around, I don't understand what it is. Nor does Peter, or the rest of the team, or the scientists... So to just leave this be would be really damn crazy! Right? That is forbidden! For me, as a human, my curiosity... I MUST have an answer to this! But, the fact remains. Sooner or later we WILL find the solution to all of this. We will go out there and get the answer! But if we get sponsors on board it will be a lot faster. I reach out to you in this way to make you realize where we are right now on the project, and what we are doing. It's not exactly a walk in the park, we're struggling and we're only human. I'm doing the best I can, and I hope to have the answers soon, as soon as possible.
So. Here I am today *looks at watch*, tonight. And I've spoken 17 minutes in swedish, and I know the english, and other foreign people will be a tad pissed off because I don't give them as much time struggling with the english version, but I'm reaaaally bad at it, but I do my best. I haven't spoken that much english in my days, but I guess I'll have to start to get used to it now... It's a whole new world I'm living in. One year ago, it was nothing like this. I mean I've done a lot of stuff, but nothing like this! I really wish you guys could experience this with me. So, now I'm gonna try this in english, and do a short explanation as to what is happening
Se a qualcuno interessa più tardi farò un riassunto dei punti salienti.
Stay tuned
Ciao
Today has been a really hysterical day, the journalists are hunting us and there's nothing wrong with that. I understand that they want as much information as possible about the project, and what's going to happen next. Expressen wrote that we don't have enough money to complete these projects, and that's basically true. There is a limit. To be able to do this professionaly we obviously need equipment for it, and this costs money. We had hoped that companies around the world would be interested in this, and that they could contribute with both equipment and money. But that hasn't happened. Why? I have no idea. I found it really strange that we haven't really seen any interest from any companies whatsoever. I mean we have like 900 million people worldwide following this. And to me it's a mystery that no companies have shown any interest, no matter WHAT we have found. Be it a volcano, a meteorite, a stone age city, or a pre-iceage construction, to me this is a sensation! But today, we can't say 100% what it is. We can't! We can speculate, but it is very important for us, as professionals, to be able to present facts in the best way possible. And use the techniques required to make a good investigation.
We know that people around the world are curious and want answers, and we try our best to make a good investigation, but we are stuck! That's the truth, we are actually stuck! And it's a big mystery to me, why no one is taking the bait, no matter what it might be! We have been very open about everything since the start. We are no hoaxers, we're running a business called Ocean X Team, and what we did, or still do, is that we're looking for trade ships that carried cargo of champagne and liquor. For us that is the gold, that's what easy to sell. There aren't many gold, silver or diamond treasures in the Baltic Sea, as far as I know (otherwise I'd be there now). No, we have trade ships, which we find first in archives and then go look for at sea.
What happened to us last year, was that we were looking for a trade ship and found this object. We didn't really understand what it was, so we went home and started thinking - what is this? And we found no answers, we didn't really understand. We hooked up with other players in this area of expertise, and they didn't know either. We've also spoken to geologists and marine biologists, and they don't have any answers either! For that reason we we decided to go public, and tell the news about the find. The majority of people out there worldwide seem to think we've found a UFO. My immediate response is - I don't know. I've gotten that question "Is it a UFO you have found, Dennis?" - I don't know. I don't. Obviously it's something unique we've found, and we're trying to conduct this investigation in the best possible way. But we're.. um, we weren't born yesterday, if you know what I mean. We are the ones who found it, and therefore we want to protect it, therefore we want the truth to be known about it, so the information doesn't get lost somewhere.
We will obviously do everything we can to make this happen in the best possible way. If needed, we will wait. Because if we don't have the resources, we can't do this. It's as simple as that. Sure, we have bought a ship. Why did we do that? We bought a ship because we are convinced we've found something unique, and of course because we want this to continue. But we have made a serious investment. It's no sponsor that has bought this ship, it's Peter and me. The reason being that we want to do this in the best possible way and still stay in control of things!
We have gotten so many suggestions, from all over the world. And I can say that.. no, it's been more scary than useful actually. Therefore we decided a while ago that we're doing this on our own. We're in control, we are the ones releasing the information, in cooperation with the production company, Titan, of course. And we have to do it this way to stay in control, and do this in the best way possible.
Now, what I want from you guys, and believe me, I understand your frustrations, why haven't they found the answers and so on... but it's not that simple. What I want you to do, if you in some way contribute, as a company, the Ocean X Team would appreciate it very much! We're doing as much as we can on our own, but it only goes so far. We can't.. well you know.. we're just ordinary people. We just don't have the resources. We have a big interest, this is what we live for. What we have found out there is a mystery, that's the truth! We want to solve it, but I think we will have to solve it together with others around the world. No matter what the results are. Businesses out there that wants to be seen and join us on this adventure is more than welcome to contact the Ocean X Team. I am CONVINCED that we've found something unique, no matter what it is.
When you go down with the ROV or divers you can see a lot of things that you really can't.. you can't understand why it's down there in the middle of the baltic. The 90 degree angles, straight walls, and that hole for example... For me... it doesn't add up. I have never seen anything like it. The guys have never seen anything like it. No one have seen anything like it! It's a mystery for us. For me it's pretty obvious to do whatever I can to solve this riddle. So. Here I am, and I'm like a big questionmark myself. What's going to happen next? I don't know. But I am honest and straightforward, and I will continue to stay this way. And I think this adventure is the coolest thing I have ever experienced, and I wish you all could be here with me! But I try to share as much as I can about this wonderful situtation we're in right now (even if it is pretty tiresome). But I Will Not Give Up! I'm totally commited to solving this riddle together with Peter and the other guys. NO MATTER WHAT IT IS!
And another thing that's important for me to state. I have never said the word, I've never said that this object is a UFO. No, I haven't. I've said that it's round, I've described it's appearance. And I realize that it might resemble a flying saucer. But I have never claimed that's what it is! Of course to me, as a human, working with this object, not understanding what it is... I mean there are a lot of theories, that it's a finding of natural gas, that it is methane ice pushing up from underground. But at the same time, the scientists are saying: No. That can't happen that way, it wouldn't be perfectly round. Um... meteorite, I've spoken about this before. Then the scientists say: No, it wouldn't look like that, the sea bed would look more chaotic, and there would be a crater, and it's not like that. A volcano then? Yes it could be an ancient volcano, but... according to scientists, there has never been any volcanoes in that area whatsoever.
So no matter how we turn this thing around, I don't understand what it is. Nor does Peter, or the rest of the team, or the scientists... So to just leave this be would be really damn crazy! Right? That is forbidden! For me, as a human, my curiosity... I MUST have an answer to this! But, the fact remains. Sooner or later we WILL find the solution to all of this. We will go out there and get the answer! But if we get sponsors on board it will be a lot faster. I reach out to you in this way to make you realize where we are right now on the project, and what we are doing. It's not exactly a walk in the park, we're struggling and we're only human. I'm doing the best I can, and I hope to have the answers soon, as soon as possible.
So. Here I am today *looks at watch*, tonight. And I've spoken 17 minutes in swedish, and I know the english, and other foreign people will be a tad pissed off because I don't give them as much time struggling with the english version, but I'm reaaaally bad at it, but I do my best. I haven't spoken that much english in my days, but I guess I'll have to start to get used to it now... It's a whole new world I'm living in. One year ago, it was nothing like this. I mean I've done a lot of stuff, but nothing like this! I really wish you guys could experience this with me. So, now I'm gonna try this in english, and do a short explanation as to what is happening
Se a qualcuno interessa più tardi farò un riassunto dei punti salienti.
Stay tuned
Ciao
Ultima modifica di TheObserver il 25/07/2012, 15:34, modificato 1 volta in totale.
25/07/2012, 15:30
si tratta di capire se è una roccia oppure un cemento artificiale, non dovrebbe essere difficile
mah ,qui ho i miei dubbi, infatti , le piramidi d'Egitto..(vedi, cemento dei faraoni)
quelle in Bosnia, lastroni di materiale artificiale,per alcuni, pietre naturali per altri
![[:137]](./images/smilies/UF/137.GIF "Emoticon")
ciao
mauro
25/07/2012, 18:07
mauro ha scritto:si tratta di capire se è una roccia oppure un cemento artificiale, non dovrebbe essere difficile
mah ,qui ho i miei dubbi, infatti , le piramidi d'Egitto..(vedi, cemento dei faraoni)
quelle in Bosnia, lastroni di materiale artificiale,per alcuni, pietre naturali per altri
ciao
mauro
Sto pensando al problema dei sedimenti ...
Se hanno staccato solo un pezzo superficiale sarà composto dai soli sedimenti depositati in migliaia di anni, quindi risulterebbe naturale.
Spero non siano stati così babbei ...
EDIT
@theobserver
Il discorso che fa il tipo direi che è cristallino
Sembra che siano proprio gli "scienziati" ad escludere la formazione naturale, almeno fino a questo momento.
In poche parole non si capisce cosa sia ...
Ultima modifica di gippo il 25/07/2012, 18:22, modificato 1 volta in totale.
25/07/2012, 18:21
gippo ha scritto:
Sto pensando al problema dei sedimenti ...
Se hanno staccato solo un pezzo superficiale sarà composto dai soli sedimenti depositati in migliaia di anni, quindi risulterebbe naturale.
Spero non siano stati così babbei ...
è probabile, ho letto che i sub avevano solo 20' di permanenza (credo che dipenda dalle bombole, dai tempi di discesa e dalla risalita che da 80mt credo richieda più di un'ora...) e quindi hanno staccato un pezzo alla prima occasione utile, nè vedo come avrebbero potuto andare in profondità, purtroppo...
Ultima modifica di bovos il 25/07/2012, 18:27, modificato 1 volta in totale.